Electrolysis Machine & Quality Problems

Following is the writing from a person who with experiences of 15 years in the alkaline ion water industry. He met and learned from his real experiences----. For avoid damages to others reputations he used " XX " instead of name:

With regards to the other equipment that you discussed, and you stated that the price are much cheaper.

You correctly stated that we have been around for a long time. I have personally been involved in this industry for 15 years. I like to think that I know the market extremely well, in particular concerning the products I sell such as the commercial unit.

I know for sure that there are very few commercial units available on the market. I had mentioned in my previous e-mail, a company by the name of XXXXX Trade who promote their products extensively on the Internet.

They promote a range of units- the XX 1000-XX 5000. The number relates to the volume of liters per hour that the units are capable of producing. They range in price from about $20,000 to about $35,000.

They are manufactured in China.

There is a Chinese Company called X-XXXX who market 2 machines on the Internet, the XXX 1000, and the XXX3000, which are $20,000 and $28,000 respectively.

These are manufactured in China also.

With regards to the XXXXX units, these units are not designed to bottle drinking water. They are designed to produce the antimicrobial water, which measures about 2.5 pH, and the high alkaline water, which measures at about 11 pH. This is achieved with the addition of salt.

The issues here are that no one should drink 11 pH water, in doing so, this would interfere with the body's natural mechanism to produce hypochlorous acid to aid digestion.

The water would taste salty.

The electrodes or cells of the unit will oxidize extremely quickly under high production.

With regards to the XXXXX Trade products, I know of at least six of these units that have been sold within the United States and also in the Caribbean.

In every case, these units have not worked properly, or have broken down. The units installed in the Caribbean in bottling plants there broke down after about four months. There were three separate units in 3 separate bottling plants on three separate islands, and they all broke down.

This was due to the hardness of the water, and the inability of the units to clean themselves effectively, and thus the electrodes became heavily calcified causing breakdown.

XXXXX Trade refused to take any responsibility. They refused to send out an engineer, even though the units were still under warranty. They refused to give a refund.

Two of the units in the United States had similar problems. As soon as the electrolysis chamber began to get clogged, the breakers were tripped and the unit did not work.

Once again, the supplier refused to take any responsibility, again they were still under warranty, and again they refused to give a refund.

Within the past week I have learned of another unit that has not worked for two years, and they have had no success in having their problem addressed by XXXXX Trade.

The last unit sold is another example of their poor business practices. The company purchased the equipment based on the fact that they were told by XXX XXbados, owner of XXXXX Trade, that the water produced by the unit would have a shelf life of two years.

When the company found out from XXXXX Trades engineer that this was a deliberate lie, they wanted to return the equipment, UNUSED, and get their money back. Once again, they were refused.

They have now taken out a lawsuit against XXXXX Trade, and it is quite likely that this will become a " class action" lawsuit involving many people.

Apparently, it is not just the commercial ionizers that this happens with this company. They have an extremely poor reputation within the industry here.

As it is a relatively small industry, we tend to know each other. We know the good guys and we know the bad guys.

Unfortunately, there are more than a few bad guys in our business, and it does seem to attract them! I have met too many of them in my life!

I am an honest businessman, and I only want to do honest business with honest people. The company that I represent is an honest manufacturer, who I can trust 100% to support my company and the product in every way.

While I don't deny this product is expensive, it is due to the quality of the product and the reliability of its technology.

If you are familiar with the cleaning mechanism off the residential home unit, you will know that once the unit is shut down it then goes into cleaning mode.

You are possibly aware that the methodology of cleaning is that the polarity of the electrodes is reversed. This typically takes about 30 seconds.

You also know that these units cannot be operated for longer than about 30 minutes continuously at the most. Any longer that this and they risk overheating, and damaging the transformer.

Imagine then the demands of a bottling facility, where the units are constantly in use for up to18 hours a day, sometimes seven days a week.

The units are engineered to be constantly cleaning themselves as they operate. The waste water will discharge from waste water hose and not mix into Alkaline ion water tank.

This is the beauty of the technology. it is trouble-free.

The equipment is an extremely important purchase, which has to be reliable, and last for many years to come.

Kirin Beverage and Taiwan Salt and other big beverage companies are the users and most of them are the market leader. The technology and industry records are unique in the world.

By Alan Ogievle

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How to improve the Design and Problems of NDX-3000?

So called alkaline ionized water electrolysis generator has the electrolytic chambers which use drinking water or artificial mixed water supplying the water from bottom and upflow into two rooms separately by the membrane. The water circulating into this two rooms which has the platinum (anode) and (cathode) electrodes formed into alkaline ionized water and acidic ionized water. By using electricity device to separately the water into individually, with DC voltages between 40 V and 120V and The ratio of water volume on acidic ionized water and alkaline ionized water, is at about 1 (acidic ionized water) and 2~3 (alkaline ionized water) which the alkaline ionized water machine is.

I have sorted out the problems of NDX-XXXX which designed and manufactured when I was the President of OMCO (Okazaki Manufacture Co) and the reasons to develop GA-3000, the modified version herein, are summarized and listed as follows.

The Model of NDX and GA machines were my design which produces 3,000 litters of  alkaline ionized water per hour and is provided with three cylindrical electrolytic chambers. On each electrolytic chamber the NDX-XXXX has installed with four rubber bellows valves which are driven to rotations by the water pressure.

By the certain time electrolysis procedure, the outlet lines of an electrolytic chamber will  be switched via bellows valves but the quality of acidic/alkaline ionized water discharged from the water outlets of the electrolysis chambers keeps unchanged

The method of switch valves of NDX-XXXX is , the thin rubber of four bellows valves on each electrolytic chamber (Photo 1: their positions and exteriors) suffered from the water pressure loads after long period of time which will be caused the crack and water leakage. When the rubber bellows valves under water pressure are rotated repeatedly and the switched on the outlet of alkaline ionized water which caused the rubber bellows valves are worsened and cracks which the alkaline ionized water is mixed with the supplied of feed water. This is the defective of structural design on NDX-XXXX.

Moreover, the cam-type control valve has dominating rotations of bellows valves aggravates the deviation of the sliding cam from the shaft and further the abrasion of internal O-rings, all of which may change water pressures applied to close bellows valves on each of three electrolytic chambers on the outlet lines. In defective of this problem, the taste of water will be different slightly when ionized water is mixed with other water.

However, the attributes such as pH values and concentrations of minerals are almost unchanged even if the above problem occurs in NDX-XXXX which fails to detect and shows fault conditions.

The taste of water which depends on a person’s palate only is difficultly differentiated.

In this regard, the taste of electrolyzed water, which consists of activated alkaline ionized water and acidic ionized water, is changed when 100 cc of acidic ionized water is added into 2,000 cc of alkaline ionized water.

For commercialized bottled water, the taste of water should be kept constant. Accordingly, the drawbacks such as troublesome rubber bellows valves for switching water tubes based on a cam should be improved in the electrolysis machine for long-term performance. To produce bottled alkaline ionized water, the electrolysis machine should be reliable on structure. As such, the taste of water from the equipment on manufacture of alkaline ionized water shall be keeping the constant for long time operation. Therefore, the design of some critical components in Model NDX-XXXX needs to be modified.

The structure to switch water tubes on alkaline ionized water and acidic ionized water in Model of GA-3001 and GA-3002 has been improved without any troubles attributed to above abrasion or deterioration.

The details for the theory and the structure of Model GA-3001 and GA-3002 are presented as follows.

By  Mr. Tatsuo Okazaki, The Machine Designer

The Valves in Model NDX-XXXX on Switching Water Tubes

The Modified Valve on the Switching Water Tubes

As shown in the sectional view of a rotary valve (left), the rotary valve D is installed inside the switching valve body A and the drawing portion C under water pressure is moved flexibly. The O-rings stressfully contact two outlets of alkaline ionized water and acidic ionized water on the switching valve body A to avoid leakage or mixing of water from the rotary valve D and the switching valve body A. The four O-rings mounted on the drawing portion C underneath are fixed by supplied water so that both the drawing portion C and two lines at the rotary valve D communicate with each other at the outlet of the drawing portion C

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